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Chap posted 08-15-2001 03:58 PM ET (US)
Hello,
What is the maximum weight for motor/motors on a late 80's Outrage 22 with a standard notched transom.
No Whaler yet, still shopping.
Thanks
Chap
Bigshot posted 08-15-2001 04:05 PM ET (US)
Rated for 240hp? so twin 115's in the 80's weighed on avg about 325lbs so say 650 for twins and 450lbs for single. Does not mean it can't handle more but consider that is how they designed it, more weight might affect handling and usually not in a positive manner.
Peter posted 08-15-2001 07:00 PM ET (US)
The Yamaha 225 hanging on the transom of my 22 Revenge is close to 500 lbs. No problem with that much weight. I have seen a 22 Outrage with twin V-4 OMC Seadrives and it sits very low in the stern at rest, too low in my opinion.
lhg posted 08-15-2001 07:48 PM ET (US)
From what I can tell, and have heard, for a non-Whaler Drive equipped 20/22, the threshold of critcal engine weight is soemwhere around 750 Lbs total. The Revenge, because of its heavier bow cabin shell weight, can handle it better than the Outrage model, maybe as much as 850lbs. The other issue is whether the boat has the 129 gallon extra capacity fuel tank. A heavier engine setup is not recommended with this larger tank, because even if not full, puts the weight of the remaining gas quite far back in the stern. The extra capacity is accomplished by elimination of the stern bait well. Boats so equipped, and with twins, are known to occasionally take some water over the transom.
The Whaler Drive model, with increased wetted hull length and floatation, seems to be easily capable of handling twin 2 stroke 150's, usually about 800lb total.
Chap posted 08-17-2001 09:15 AM ET (US)
Thank you very much for the insight and replies. I continue the quest.
Chap
DIVE 1 posted 08-17-2001 08:02 PM ET (US)
Chap,
We have a 22' commercial hull that has the 129 gal. tank and twin 155s. The top of the transom notch is 3" above the water at the dock. With 3 people sitting on the stern seat the top of the notch is the waterline. The boat is fine underway, but when stopped it will take every wave over the transom notch.
Jim
lhg posted 08-17-2001 08:48 PM ET (US)
CPD offers the 22 and 25 Outrages with what they call a 30" transom, for installing dual 25" CR engines. It is a notched transom 5" higher than the standard 25" transom.
Sounds like a worthy option. This could possibly be done by a competent glass shop as a retrofit on an existing 22 or 25.
They solved this problem in 1987 when they brought out the Whaler Drive models, which use twin 25" engines.
FISHNFF posted 08-18-2001 01:21 AM ET (US)
Know of a fellow who just repowered his Outrage 22 from twin 90 Yamaha's to twin 90 Merc 4 strokes. That's around 800lbs! He had to move his 22 gallon bait tank in front of the console to better balance the boat as water would pour over his standard transom while drifting. A friend repowered his 70's Outrage 21 with ribbed sides from a Merc 150 to twin Merc 75 4 strokes. Handles the weight well with the bottom of the rub rail just touching the waterline. Both remark fuel economy incredible compared to previous power.
reelescape1 posted 08-18-2001 08:22 AM ET (US)
My '90 22' OR has twin Evin. 88 SPL's (90's without oil inj.), the book says they weigh 288 ea. With a ~50 gal. baitwell at the rear center floor, std. 77 gal fuel, 2-3 guys, and aux. 24 gal under l. post, the boat is back heavy! While I REALLY like my twins, I would consider a single 225 Yam. 4 stroke when I re-power. This months "Boating" mag. has a good test article and is showing 4-5 mpg.
Louie Kokinis posted 08-20-2001 06:37 PM ET (US)
The 22 Guardian max rating is 720 lbs.
Louie
Chap posted 08-21-2001 10:17 AM ET (US)
Thanks again all.
720lbs. is not very much considering twin 115 4stroke Suzukis are 832lbs. Some say it would not be a problem, others are highly skeptical. I am not looking to achieve maximum speed performance but maximum safety and comfort. I am aware of the additional cost etc. of twins. I'll be traveling offshore sometimes and have read here that the CG ran twins on all of their 22's. Another factor I did not relate earlier.........I may tow an M-Scow to races on weekends. Would twins be better for this application?
Some trim correction could be had by moving the batteries and oil into the console and then eliminating the oil all together with the 4 strokes.?. The boat is right out of a time-machine clean and I think I am over thinking the issues.
Great site.
Chap

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Author	Topic: outrage 22 motor weight
Chap	posted 08-15-2001 03:58 PM ET (US) Hello, What is the maximum weight for motor/motors on a late 80's Outrage 22 with a standard notched transom. No Whaler yet, still shopping. Thanks Chap
Bigshot	posted 08-15-2001 04:05 PM ET (US) Rated for 240hp? so twin 115's in the 80's weighed on avg about 325lbs so say 650 for twins and 450lbs for single. Does not mean it can't handle more but consider that is how they designed it, more weight might affect handling and usually not in a positive manner.
Peter	posted 08-15-2001 07:00 PM ET (US) The Yamaha 225 hanging on the transom of my 22 Revenge is close to 500 lbs. No problem with that much weight. I have seen a 22 Outrage with twin V-4 OMC Seadrives and it sits very low in the stern at rest, too low in my opinion.
lhg	posted 08-15-2001 07:48 PM ET (US) From what I can tell, and have heard, for a non-Whaler Drive equipped 20/22, the threshold of critcal engine weight is soemwhere around 750 Lbs total. The Revenge, because of its heavier bow cabin shell weight, can handle it better than the Outrage model, maybe as much as 850lbs. The other issue is whether the boat has the 129 gallon extra capacity fuel tank. A heavier engine setup is not recommended with this larger tank, because even if not full, puts the weight of the remaining gas quite far back in the stern. The extra capacity is accomplished by elimination of the stern bait well. Boats so equipped, and with twins, are known to occasionally take some water over the transom. The Whaler Drive model, with increased wetted hull length and floatation, seems to be easily capable of handling twin 2 stroke 150's, usually about 800lb total.
Chap	posted 08-17-2001 09:15 AM ET (US) Thank you very much for the insight and replies. I continue the quest. Chap
DIVE 1	posted 08-17-2001 08:02 PM ET (US) Chap, We have a 22' commercial hull that has the 129 gal. tank and twin 155s. The top of the transom notch is 3" above the water at the dock. With 3 people sitting on the stern seat the top of the notch is the waterline. The boat is fine underway, but when stopped it will take every wave over the transom notch. Jim
lhg	posted 08-17-2001 08:48 PM ET (US) CPD offers the 22 and 25 Outrages with what they call a 30" transom, for installing dual 25" CR engines. It is a notched transom 5" higher than the standard 25" transom. Sounds like a worthy option. This could possibly be done by a competent glass shop as a retrofit on an existing 22 or 25. They solved this problem in 1987 when they brought out the Whaler Drive models, which use twin 25" engines.
FISHNFF	posted 08-18-2001 01:21 AM ET (US) Know of a fellow who just repowered his Outrage 22 from twin 90 Yamaha's to twin 90 Merc 4 strokes. That's around 800lbs! He had to move his 22 gallon bait tank in front of the console to better balance the boat as water would pour over his standard transom while drifting. A friend repowered his 70's Outrage 21 with ribbed sides from a Merc 150 to twin Merc 75 4 strokes. Handles the weight well with the bottom of the rub rail just touching the waterline. Both remark fuel economy incredible compared to previous power.
reelescape1	posted 08-18-2001 08:22 AM ET (US) My '90 22' OR has twin Evin. 88 SPL's (90's without oil inj.), the book says they weigh 288 ea. With a ~50 gal. baitwell at the rear center floor, std. 77 gal fuel, 2-3 guys, and aux. 24 gal under l. post, the boat is back heavy! While I REALLY like my twins, I would consider a single 225 Yam. 4 stroke when I re-power. This months "Boating" mag. has a good test article and is showing 4-5 mpg.
Louie Kokinis	posted 08-20-2001 06:37 PM ET (US) The 22 Guardian max rating is 720 lbs. Louie
Chap	posted 08-21-2001 10:17 AM ET (US) Thanks again all. 720lbs. is not very much considering twin 115 4stroke Suzukis are 832lbs. Some say it would not be a problem, others are highly skeptical. I am not looking to achieve maximum speed performance but maximum safety and comfort. I am aware of the additional cost etc. of twins. I'll be traveling offshore sometimes and have read here that the CG ran twins on all of their 22's. Another factor I did not relate earlier.........I may tow an M-Scow to races on weekends. Would twins be better for this application? Some trim correction could be had by moving the batteries and oil into the console and then eliminating the oil all together with the 4 strokes.?. The boat is right out of a time-machine clean and I think I am over thinking the issues. Great site. Chap