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Rod posted 11-09-2001 01:39 AM ET (US)
I found a 1980 Outrage 20 for what I feel is a very good price and looking for info. I know Whaler's are typically a different length than that given. Does anyone know the true length of this hull? Maximum rated HP? Also, any info on pro's and cons of this particular hull year would be appreciated. In searching this forum it appears that most believe that the post 84 hulls ride better. Opinions? Thanks in advance!
David Ratusnik posted 11-09-2001 09:45 AM ET (US)
Rod- When I was looking for my Outrage (it is 22') I came across a 20' 1982 boat. I was most impressed, virtually like a 22'. The fellow was running an older 150 hp Johnson but claimed it would handle 175 fine. If you are going to trailer the boat I would seriously consider a 20'. I know a guy who flips classic Whalers and he contends that the difference between a 20 and 22 if handling by yourself on and off a trailer is considerable. Another thought, if the 20'you are looking at does not have a bracket then adding one will give you the feel (to some degree)of the 22' w/o the bracket. I do not know the numbers but feel the 20' is sort of a rare boat. Probably had something to do with price/length in the 80's. Good Luck David
bigz posted 11-09-2001 09:58 AM ET (US)
V-20 or 20 Outrage take your pick
19'10" LOA
7'5" Beam
11" Draft
1500 lbs. Hull Weight
180 max hp.
85 hp to plane
4000lbs swamped cap ---

Performance --- BW's numbers ---
1-85 hp 32 mph
1- 150 hp 42 mph
2-85 hp 44 mph
1- 175hp 49 mph
Only problem is the use of OMC motors of that period which didn't have enough negative trim to elimate the tendency of the boat to porpoise, can be corrected with wedges or a fin mounted on the cavitation plate --- some report --- Z
White Bear posted 11-09-2001 11:29 AM ET (US)
20' Outrage is a great hull. Mine is a 1988 with a 140hp Johnson; plenty of power for anything you might want to do.
Tom W Clark posted 11-09-2001 12:03 PM ET (US)
The change to the 20' hull occured for the 1986 model year. Deadrise was increased from 12° to 16° and thus is somewhat smoother riding.
lhg posted 11-09-2001 02:52 PM ET (US)
The "man" himself, Bob Dougherty, told me this first V series 20 Outrage was conservatively designed with a shallow Vee, as part of the transition from the earlier 19 & 21 Outrage hulls. He wanted to maintain lateral stability as much as possible, part of the evolution of the Whaler hull. But it proved to be a little hard riding, and needed a deeper V, like the later 22 Outrage, so they discontinued it in 84 or 85. If you want a 20, I'd get the later model, which is really a shortened-at-the-stern 22. They are, however, not real common, as the price was so close to a 22, (only about $1200 less) that most buyers went for the 22 instead. Same with the Revenge line.
cjd posted 11-09-2001 04:44 PM ET (US)
Seems to me I have seen that ebay boat a couple times before. The screw holes in the floor under the post are familiar. Anyone know anything about this particular boat? the engine scares me, and I have to believ that for 10,000 I need to assume it will be repowering real soon.
any thoughts anyone?
JFM posted 11-09-2001 04:57 PM ET (US)
I have seen that boat on ebay at least 4 times. I think they reverse the photo or have differn't shots of it. Regards, Jay
cjd posted 11-09-2001 05:04 PM ET (US)
probably treading on a new topic here, but do you recall if his price keeps dropping? Assuming there is not horrid flaw in the thing, what would be a fair $$ on it? i will assume the engine checks out, but would put about a $1000 value on it tops.
Pat posted 11-09-2001 06:16 PM ET (US)
I looked at this boat in Charleston 2 weekends ago and also came to the conclusion that the engine, although only slightly rusty in the pivot tube would be a candidate for early replacement. The boat is nice for it's age but looks like it was a resale project. The trailer is a "TEE NEE" The owner said he replaced the captain's chairs with the leaning post to free up room in the stern. At least he filled the holes with screws instead of caulk.
Rod posted 11-09-2001 08:39 PM ET (US)
Thanks all for the info, especially bigz. I took a look at the boat today and it has some cosmetic flaws. It was owned by a marine research place and is a bit rough but not terrible. The wood (teak?) is very dry. Some gel coat dings that were patched with what looks like Marine Tex. The keel at the bow is all scratched down to the glass so they must have beached this boat a LOT but the glass is dry. No bottom paint. Trailer needs work and is a single axle but a well built one. Removed the deck plates that access the fuel tank and there was MUCHO slime and wetness in there so the tank could be shot... don't know. I assume the tank just sits there under the deck. No one mentioned the fuel capacity so I would appreciate a bit more info on that. Also, is there room for a larger tank under the deck??? The motor is no bueno which I knew about but was thinking of toying with this boat. I do have another but the deal seemed toooo good to pass up. Turns out it might not be but for $4,500 it can't be too bad of an investment.
Rod posted 11-09-2001 08:51 PM ET (US)
By the way I did have an old 60's 17 Whaler which was my first boat and I've always wanted another bigger one. I have a 2000 18' Parker but something about these unsinkable legends has always intrigued me. That Parker is very well built but also rides a bit on the rough side in my opinion. Thanks again everyone!
jimh posted 11-09-2001 11:18 PM ET (US)
[Some posts have been removed from this thread and its subject line changed--jimh]
bigz posted 11-10-2001 06:59 AM ET (US)
Your welcome Rod. We owned a '78 V-20 Outrage it was the 26th hull produced, which we sold to a member on this forum who in turn sold it and purchased a 25 Outrage. As far as I know Rod the '82 Johnson 175 hp is still on her and running strong -- so don't knock off those older motors to quickly --- the gas tank is 63 gallons if I recall.
Good Luck Tom
PS JimH -- see you decided to eliminate a new Belly Dancing thread --- good thinking heh heh --- at least you could have kept the reference link to the '80 Outrage up --- ?!
jimh posted 11-10-2001 07:47 AM ET (US)
Links pointing to eBay auctions are rather temporary, as the link is soon orphaned when the auction ends.
bigz posted 11-10-2001 08:27 AM ET (US)
Kept up for 60 days after auction (as long as 90 if they don't clean house I have noticed) and since this didn't sell will be generally linked to a relisting ---

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Author	Topic: 20-Outrage
Rod	posted 11-09-2001 01:39 AM ET (US) I found a 1980 Outrage 20 for what I feel is a very good price and looking for info. I know Whaler's are typically a different length than that given. Does anyone know the true length of this hull? Maximum rated HP? Also, any info on pro's and cons of this particular hull year would be appreciated. In searching this forum it appears that most believe that the post 84 hulls ride better. Opinions? Thanks in advance!
David Ratusnik	posted 11-09-2001 09:45 AM ET (US) Rod- When I was looking for my Outrage (it is 22') I came across a 20' 1982 boat. I was most impressed, virtually like a 22'. The fellow was running an older 150 hp Johnson but claimed it would handle 175 fine. If you are going to trailer the boat I would seriously consider a 20'. I know a guy who flips classic Whalers and he contends that the difference between a 20 and 22 if handling by yourself on and off a trailer is considerable. Another thought, if the 20'you are looking at does not have a bracket then adding one will give you the feel (to some degree)of the 22' w/o the bracket. I do not know the numbers but feel the 20' is sort of a rare boat. Probably had something to do with price/length in the 80's. Good Luck David
bigz	posted 11-09-2001 09:58 AM ET (US) V-20 or 20 Outrage take your pick 19'10" LOA 7'5" Beam 11" Draft 1500 lbs. Hull Weight 180 max hp. 85 hp to plane 4000lbs swamped cap --- Performance --- BW's numbers --- 1-85 hp 32 mph 1- 150 hp 42 mph 2-85 hp 44 mph 1- 175hp 49 mph Only problem is the use of OMC motors of that period which didn't have enough negative trim to elimate the tendency of the boat to porpoise, can be corrected with wedges or a fin mounted on the cavitation plate --- some report --- Z
White Bear	posted 11-09-2001 11:29 AM ET (US) 20' Outrage is a great hull. Mine is a 1988 with a 140hp Johnson; plenty of power for anything you might want to do.
Tom W Clark	posted 11-09-2001 12:03 PM ET (US) The change to the 20' hull occured for the 1986 model year. Deadrise was increased from 12° to 16° and thus is somewhat smoother riding.
lhg	posted 11-09-2001 02:52 PM ET (US) The "man" himself, Bob Dougherty, told me this first V series 20 Outrage was conservatively designed with a shallow Vee, as part of the transition from the earlier 19 & 21 Outrage hulls. He wanted to maintain lateral stability as much as possible, part of the evolution of the Whaler hull. But it proved to be a little hard riding, and needed a deeper V, like the later 22 Outrage, so they discontinued it in 84 or 85. If you want a 20, I'd get the later model, which is really a shortened-at-the-stern 22. They are, however, not real common, as the price was so close to a 22, (only about $1200 less) that most buyers went for the 22 instead. Same with the Revenge line.
cjd	posted 11-09-2001 04:44 PM ET (US) Seems to me I have seen that ebay boat a couple times before. The screw holes in the floor under the post are familiar. Anyone know anything about this particular boat? the engine scares me, and I have to believ that for 10,000 I need to assume it will be repowering real soon. any thoughts anyone?
JFM	posted 11-09-2001 04:57 PM ET (US) I have seen that boat on ebay at least 4 times. I think they reverse the photo or have differn't shots of it. Regards, Jay
cjd	posted 11-09-2001 05:04 PM ET (US) probably treading on a new topic here, but do you recall if his price keeps dropping? Assuming there is not horrid flaw in the thing, what would be a fair $$ on it? i will assume the engine checks out, but would put about a $1000 value on it tops.
Pat	posted 11-09-2001 06:16 PM ET (US) I looked at this boat in Charleston 2 weekends ago and also came to the conclusion that the engine, although only slightly rusty in the pivot tube would be a candidate for early replacement. The boat is nice for it's age but looks like it was a resale project. The trailer is a "TEE NEE" The owner said he replaced the captain's chairs with the leaning post to free up room in the stern. At least he filled the holes with screws instead of caulk.
Rod	posted 11-09-2001 08:39 PM ET (US) Thanks all for the info, especially bigz. I took a look at the boat today and it has some cosmetic flaws. It was owned by a marine research place and is a bit rough but not terrible. The wood (teak?) is very dry. Some gel coat dings that were patched with what looks like Marine Tex. The keel at the bow is all scratched down to the glass so they must have beached this boat a LOT but the glass is dry. No bottom paint. Trailer needs work and is a single axle but a well built one. Removed the deck plates that access the fuel tank and there was MUCHO slime and wetness in there so the tank could be shot... don't know. I assume the tank just sits there under the deck. No one mentioned the fuel capacity so I would appreciate a bit more info on that. Also, is there room for a larger tank under the deck??? The motor is no bueno which I knew about but was thinking of toying with this boat. I do have another but the deal seemed toooo good to pass up. Turns out it might not be but for $4,500 it can't be too bad of an investment.
Rod	posted 11-09-2001 08:51 PM ET (US) By the way I did have an old 60's 17 Whaler which was my first boat and I've always wanted another bigger one. I have a 2000 18' Parker but something about these unsinkable legends has always intrigued me. That Parker is very well built but also rides a bit on the rough side in my opinion. Thanks again everyone!
jimh	posted 11-09-2001 11:18 PM ET (US) [Some posts have been removed from this thread and its subject line changed--jimh]
bigz	posted 11-10-2001 06:59 AM ET (US) Your welcome Rod. We owned a '78 V-20 Outrage it was the 26th hull produced, which we sold to a member on this forum who in turn sold it and purchased a 25 Outrage. As far as I know Rod the '82 Johnson 175 hp is still on her and running strong -- so don't knock off those older motors to quickly --- the gas tank is 63 gallons if I recall. Good Luck Tom PS JimH -- see you decided to eliminate a new Belly Dancing thread --- good thinking heh heh --- at least you could have kept the reference link to the '80 Outrage up --- ?!
jimh	posted 11-10-2001 07:47 AM ET (US) Links pointing to eBay auctions are rather temporary, as the link is soon orphaned when the auction ends.
bigz	posted 11-10-2001 08:27 AM ET (US) Kept up for 60 days after auction (as long as 90 if they don't clean house I have noticed) and since this didn't sell will be generally linked to a relisting ---