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Knockerjoe posted 12-21-2002 11:20 PM ET (US)
I know this is a bit off topic but on my way to work everyday I go by and drool at these Ponga boats. Forum members will see someone is still making small boats with teak and that yachty look. I am sure they cost a small fortune. Take a look. http://www.84boatworks.com/page3.html they also make a model without teak (see the main page.)
hardensheetmetal posted 12-22-2002 02:13 AM ET (US)
Knockerjoe-
You may not have relized how close to home your topic actually is. After looking at your link, I recognized this boat as one that Paul Hureau the ex leader of BW CPD, and now owner of Maritime Skiff (with his wife Bev.) had noticed was very close to his design when he was on a trip to south America. I fyou happen to visit with Paul at one of the upcoming boat shows, take a look in his photo album, and you will see the Ponga hull, It is very similar to his 16, 18, and 20's.
Dan
Kelly posted 12-23-2002 12:11 AM ET (US)
I kind of like the looks of the boats of Panga Marine Corporation. I have no idea as to how well or even how they are built. Take a look at www.pangamarine.com. Are we talking about the same company or are they related?
Kelly
John W posted 12-23-2002 10:30 AM ET (US)
If you find these boats interesting, check out www.caribiana.com . They have a photo area to the web page that shows the various configurations & trim packages for these 23' boats. I think they're really beautiful in the teak trim. These boats get decent speed with a 50hp motor due to their narrow beam design.
All these boats are based on South American Panga type boats, that have fairly flat deadrise and a narrow beam for their length, which makes them MUCH more fuel efficient than the typical 8'6" beam boats of today...which by comparison are ridiculously inefficient.
One of the attractive attributes of classic Whalers (as compared to their new counterparts) was a more appropriate length-to-beam ratio, which makes them more efficient. The 7-1/2' beam of the original 21' outrages (along with their relative light weight) contributes to their efficiency...some owners are getting up to 7mpg cruise from these old boats with DFI or 4 stroke power. The narrow beam of the 16' and 17' classic whalers makes them more efficient than many modern boats as well.
I think the ultra-wide beam trend in new boat designs is one of the worst trends in boat design in a long time. The wide beam makes them absurdly inefficient, requiring massive power to attain good speeds. And a wider beam makes a boat ride harder, all else being equal. (Of course, hull deadrise come into play here as well; an inefficient deeper vee hull can compensate for a wide beam in smoothing the ride, but it makes a boat even more power hungry). The only thing a wider beam gives you is more interior space, and in deep vee boats, less roll at rest or at idle. In my opinion the trade offs do not make sense.
Generations ago boat builders learned that for best all around performance, a boat's beam should be at an absolute maximum 1/3 of a boat's length (with the exception of very small boats). Hopefully designers will re-learn this fact. Perhaps these Panga type boats are a step in that direction.
Knockerjoe posted 12-24-2002 02:51 PM ET (US)
Kelly, no Panga Marine is not the same company that is making the one's that I have seen which are at 84 Boatworks in Fort Lauderdale. I would would love to take one for a ride and see how it handles!It is cool seeing someone make a boat that is not coming out of the same cookie cutter molds like contender and regulator etc. etc.

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Author	Topic: Ponga Boats
Knockerjoe	posted 12-21-2002 11:20 PM ET (US) I know this is a bit off topic but on my way to work everyday I go by and drool at these Ponga boats. Forum members will see someone is still making small boats with teak and that yachty look. I am sure they cost a small fortune. Take a look. http://www.84boatworks.com/page3.html they also make a model without teak (see the main page.)
hardensheetmetal	posted 12-22-2002 02:13 AM ET (US) Knockerjoe- You may not have relized how close to home your topic actually is. After looking at your link, I recognized this boat as one that Paul Hureau the ex leader of BW CPD, and now owner of Maritime Skiff (with his wife Bev.) had noticed was very close to his design when he was on a trip to south America. I fyou happen to visit with Paul at one of the upcoming boat shows, take a look in his photo album, and you will see the Ponga hull, It is very similar to his 16, 18, and 20's. Dan
Kelly	posted 12-23-2002 12:11 AM ET (US) I kind of like the looks of the boats of Panga Marine Corporation. I have no idea as to how well or even how they are built. Take a look at www.pangamarine.com. Are we talking about the same company or are they related? Kelly
John W	posted 12-23-2002 10:30 AM ET (US) If you find these boats interesting, check out www.caribiana.com . They have a photo area to the web page that shows the various configurations & trim packages for these 23' boats. I think they're really beautiful in the teak trim. These boats get decent speed with a 50hp motor due to their narrow beam design. All these boats are based on South American Panga type boats, that have fairly flat deadrise and a narrow beam for their length, which makes them MUCH more fuel efficient than the typical 8'6" beam boats of today...which by comparison are ridiculously inefficient. One of the attractive attributes of classic Whalers (as compared to their new counterparts) was a more appropriate length-to-beam ratio, which makes them more efficient. The 7-1/2' beam of the original 21' outrages (along with their relative light weight) contributes to their efficiency...some owners are getting up to 7mpg cruise from these old boats with DFI or 4 stroke power. The narrow beam of the 16' and 17' classic whalers makes them more efficient than many modern boats as well. I think the ultra-wide beam trend in new boat designs is one of the worst trends in boat design in a long time. The wide beam makes them absurdly inefficient, requiring massive power to attain good speeds. And a wider beam makes a boat ride harder, all else being equal. (Of course, hull deadrise come into play here as well; an inefficient deeper vee hull can compensate for a wide beam in smoothing the ride, but it makes a boat even more power hungry). The only thing a wider beam gives you is more interior space, and in deep vee boats, less roll at rest or at idle. In my opinion the trade offs do not make sense. Generations ago boat builders learned that for best all around performance, a boat's beam should be at an absolute maximum 1/3 of a boat's length (with the exception of very small boats). Hopefully designers will re-learn this fact. Perhaps these Panga type boats are a step in that direction.
Knockerjoe	posted 12-24-2002 02:51 PM ET (US) Kelly, no Panga Marine is not the same company that is making the one's that I have seen which are at 84 Boatworks in Fort Lauderdale. I would would love to take one for a ride and see how it handles!It is cool seeing someone make a boat that is not coming out of the same cookie cutter molds like contender and regulator etc. etc.