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Glastron Boats - any good?
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posted 11-03-2004 06:05 PM ET (US)
First let me say hello to all (still) here. I've been away for a number of reasons (Elections, hurricanes, etc) for the past few weeks (months) - now that the election is over I sure hope this site returns to it's old self where the discussion was about boats.
So, I'm back...with a off topic post. I hate to start my "return" this way, but I need some advice for my mother.
Her new husband has been bugging me with questions about Bayliners and a bunch of other low end boats. He's dying to buy SOMETHING and to be honest doesn't seem to care too much. He's a former lake boater moving to salt water and thinks he wants a I/O bowrider. I kept pushing him to a Ventura or something similar but I think they're more $ than he wants to spend.
He called me about an hour ago with his checkbook out ready to buy a Glastron MX175. I'm not familar with them and wanted any and all feedback/advice I could pass on.
Thanks in advance guys.
posted 11-03-2004 06:18 PM ET (US)
My old neighbor had a 16' Glastron, with an outboard. It is no where near a whaler or Grady quality, as for the salt water usage, his runabout had that trendy dropped bow look, and I know he stuffed it into a couple waves in Indian River Delaware. I've had four boats now, two of them Whalers, and my most recent "new" boat is a 1987, but it does look better then my brother in laws 2000 Angler already. If it's his first boat, I think an outboard is the simplest and easiest to take care of, the venture is a lot of money for him, but a used Newport, Montauk, 16SL, or dauntless might work. Saltwater ages cheap boats real quick, tell him your ideas then let him decide, Jack.
posted 11-03-2004 06:22 PM ET (US)
Glad you came back. I'm not going to be very helpful with information on that boat, I'm afraid...but I do have a thought.
Continue to give the man good advice on what type of boat to buy. You can't prevent anyone from making a decision (else yesterday would have looked a lot different for 50% of the people in this country - or the same...) Sometimes people need to make mistakes in order to learn.
There are signals and signs to a quality boat manufacturer: the type of materials they use (SS vs Chrome, etc), how they finish the boat (glassed boxes or exposed fiberglass backing) and the quality of the customer service at the dealer.
I won't badmouth a company I don't know a lot about (but have generally had positive (read; Fun) experiences on Glastron boats of the past), but will say that in boats, you often get what you pay for. It is not a cheap hobby - as most of us here already know.
Since he's looking to use it in a saltwater environment, he should be on the lookout for SS fasteners, railings, etc. he should also check the wiring and make sure it is all tinned.
For heaven's sake, get the man to read consumer's reports or at least a Boating Magazine or Trailer Boats Magazine review of the craft so he knows what to look for as far as potential problem spots.
The bottom line is that newbies sometimes need to buy a newbie boat to get out on the water. You'll be able to help him understand the differences in boats when he asks for your advice on repairs, etc. that you won't have to perform on your Whaler...and can advise and counsel him for his next purchase, which surely won't be too far behind this one.
posted 11-03-2004 06:25 PM ET (US)
There is a web site called fiberglassics you may want to try it for some information.
posted 11-03-2004 06:30 PM ET (US)
I still hear good things about Glastrons. I used to have an '81 or '82 Glastron- Carlson C-500. A 16 footer with a 115 Evinrude. A real screamer. It was a real solid boat. I sold it a few years ago so I could go back to a Whaler.
posted 11-03-2004 06:37 PM ET (US)
I spend a weeking with friends last summer at a lake house, us used his fauthers Glastron all weekend.
I for get the model name, but it was a 1997 17' Bowrider with V6 I/O. It was a good lake boat.
I think such a boat would be okay for trailering to salt water every know and then, but I wouldn't been one sitting in salt water all season.
posted 11-03-2004 06:55 PM ET (US)
What is the price difference between a whaler and a Glastron? Even a whaler "knock off" copy boat would be better. Is this guy bent on a brand new boat? Seems he could get a used whaler with newer power and get his ski boat too.
I saw some "sea ray" boats for sale at Costco recently and felt very lucky to have a whaler. Ask this person which boat he would rather be stranded at sea in.
posted 11-03-2004 07:02 PM ET (US)
Since he's set on one of these I/O bowrider poor excuse, see if he wants to buy this from me. I'll make him a hell of a deal! ;-)
20' Maxum w/Chevy 350 V8, rebuilt mercruiser outdrive.
posted 11-03-2004 07:16 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the info guys. I think the emegency has passed. He talked with my brother (who owns a Whaler and a Pursuit) and he told him to sit tight and do some research - what a novel idea... :)
He's the worst kind of impulse buyer and I bet he would have bought the thing if I had answered my cell phone when he called.
In the meantime, I did find some reviews in Boating magazine and others and it looks like the Glaston MX175 is actually a pretty well respected ENTRY level boat.
He's hell bent on a I/O for some reason, but perhaps my brother can talk him out of that too.
Ryan, if you weren't so far away, he just may be interested.
Anyhow, thanks again guys. Perhaps since we've talked him from the edge, I can enlighten him on how NOT to loose your *$# on a boat purchase by employing the old "you get what you pay for" rule.
posted 11-03-2004 07:16 PM ET (US)
I had a 16 trihull Glastron before I bought my whaler.
In all honesty I should have never been in the ocean in that thing. But we took it out all the time, four guys fishing for yellowtail off of san diego. It was old and ugly but had an 85HP Johnson and the thing ran like a raped ape.
I wouldn't trade my whaler for a glastron but I sure would recommend a glastron over a bayliner anyday.
posted 11-03-2004 07:27 PM ET (US)
The Glastron model you describe seems to be in the 15 grand range. He could get a sweet used whaler with new power for that money and have a top level boat.
posted 11-04-2004 08:04 AM ET (US)
For 15K he could pick up a very clean 1997-1999 Dauntless 16. (I know - I just sold one). Great trailer boat. Great big water boat within its limits. The Glastron design with the low bow profile invites diving thru swells at times. It's just not a big water boat. The newer Glastrons' fit and finish are very good overall, and they're very solidly constructed, but primarily an inland lake ski/cruise/fish boat.
posted 11-04-2004 08:20 AM ET (US)
Actually, that boat is only about $11K MSRP, so street price would be a little less.
I wouldn't give a rat's ass what he buys if it were HIS money, but since my mother's involved, ya know....
I've tried to talk some sense into him about the I/O saltwater environment and having a boat with a bunch of upholstery, etc but that seems to be what he wants. It's gonna be a cruising/putting with the grandkids boat, so a CC is probably not the best for the situation.
I think he's leaning toward a Hurricane now...
Thanks again guys. It's good to be back.
posted 11-04-2004 09:26 AM ET (US)
What about Trophy boats? There are now owned by whaler's parent company. They like really nice, but no whaler!
posted 11-04-2004 09:40 AM ET (US)
Glastrons were very good boats back in the 70s, when they were made in Texas by the original company, but I know nothing about the current crop. If BWs seem too expensive for him, I suggest Mckee Craft--just as good, but cheaper.
posted 11-04-2004 09:58 AM ET (US)
Welcome back Chris... your comments struck home with me as it seems that lately I try to talk just about everyone into a used Whaler and I can get frustrated when they seem to be attracted more to a new boat like the Glastron you describe. Reality is the utilitarian nature of a used Whaler is sometimes a hard sell, especially on the female component of the buying decision. Seems that carpeting and cushy seats are often more attractive features than the unsinkability and excellent resale of a Boston Whaler. I can understand that when a family member is involved it is very hard to stand by and watch hard earned money being spent on a lesser boat. But....
The boat you desrcibe and its competitors from Stingray and Bayliner are boats aimed directly at the entry level market. They are not Whalers but because of the price point and the desire to attract new buyers into brand loyality they do represent an excellent value and I can see the attraction for a new boat buyer. Of course we would like to see everyone buy a Whaler but if that is not to be these boats are a very good buy especially considering a similar used boat that cost almost as much. These boats have made substantial progress in their constuction techniques and that combined with a warranty can make them a better choice than someone's used vessel. A new family on the water even if not in a Whaler is still an asset to the boating industry and with time and education they still can come over to our Whaler family. Again welcome back and good luck with this quest.
posted 11-04-2004 10:11 AM ET (US)
We have new neighbors at the coast and the fellow pouring a driveway and garage slab for 'em saw my Newport and went over to check it out. Thurman tells me he starting raving about how "they don't make 'em like that anymore" and how much like "new" it is (it's a '75) and made it known he wanted to buy it!!! Now he's got, my neighbor, Thurman wanting to buy it too! And these guys can buy most anything they want, $$$-wise.
I'm torn, I love the Newport and don't want to sell it and for most of my purposes it's great. The only negatives are the old Whaler thing about a hard ride and the layout is not good for fishing - it's hard for more than 2 to fish from it. But I can make a pretty good profit but what would I replace it with?
posted 11-04-2004 10:51 AM ET (US)
There's a guy here locally that has an old (smirkless) newport and he has that boat dialed in for any type of fishing. Casting deck up front, forward fish box, rear storage, low rails with the plexi splash screen, and more. He has a new Honda 90 on the back. Maybe you're right about fishing lots of people, but I've seen three guys in a 15 out here in the ocean.
Don't sell your boat short!
posted 11-04-2004 10:58 AM ET (US)
Glastrons suck. They're fully cored, including the sides. There's no beef (glass) to strengthen the hull. Don't even start to think Whaler does the same thing so it must be OK... they're not built the same at all. Look at Pascoe's website pictures of a failing Sea Ray. Glastrons are built worse.
posted 11-04-2004 11:22 AM ET (US)
I have owned at 1969 23' Glastron since 1976. It has been an excellent boat. I have no doubt that it will be in our family for another 30 years.
posted 11-04-2004 11:24 AM ET (US)
whatever - just don't bang the dock or you'll have a nasty hole in it.
posted 11-04-2004 11:31 AM ET (US)
Bodega, man you're up early, hope I didn't wake you... LOL! Actually, I'm not selling the boat short (if I sell it'll be for a gracious profit - yeah, that's not what you meant...LOL!) and as I said for MOST Of my uses, it's great and has a good layout. We use it for transportation - from our rather remote location, it's often shorter, quicker and certainly more enjoyable than going by car, we water ski, tour, etc... and I enjoy doing some fishing but there ain't no way, I'm going to turn it into a FISHING boat. The point was really that the console esentially divides the boat and considering having tackle boxes, gear, casting, etc. handy, it's not easy to make comfortable room for more than one fisherperson in each "half". Oh, we've had four aboard but have to coordinate casting and getting to tackle...
I used to fish with tow others on a friend's Montauk and it was OK but still 'cramped' with three of us fishing.
One more point, someone wrote that we "want to talk everyone into a Whaler...", NO, I don't want that at all. I like the (semi-, sorta-) uniqueness of the Newport, that there aren't all that many Whalers around, that most know and admire the atributes and qualities of the Whalers and that everyone doesn't drive a Whaler and especially having a fairly rare Newport. And yes, my own feeling of security the Whaler gives.
posted 11-04-2004 12:30 PM ET (US)
I had a Glastron Bayflite 177 (a 17.5 footer) for many years. It was a Texas built boat, long before the sale to Genmar. Extremely solid, fast, cute, and well laid out for family stuff, not fishing. It had a little 4 banger 140 hp Mercruiser which was reliable and stingy on gas. There are times I regret selling it, but my Katama makes up for that. I believe they were very good boats in the 70s.
posted 11-04-2004 12:58 PM ET (US)
Back when Hammond and Bill Glastron designed and built the boats they were OK. Genmar sux.
posted 11-04-2004 01:10 PM ET (US)
I would steer him away from hurricanes, they age in my experience worse than glastrons. I worked at a marina/dry storage facility all summer, driving everything from carolina skiffs to hatteras yachts. All the hurricanes we dealt with that were more than a summer or two old looked like hell. Broken biminis, busted hardeware, corrosion, rust, cheap instruments. I wasnt impressed. Matter of fact, there are few boats i would consider purchasing now. They are very easy to dock though, all are boats have to be backed in for customer ease. Larger, deep vee outboard fishing boats are a pain when the current is running.
posted 11-04-2004 04:26 PM ET (US)
When a kid the first boat I ever lusted after was a Glastron. It was the black one Adam West drove. Now there was a boat the neighbors could talk about.
posted 11-04-2004 08:08 PM ET (US)
the Glastron Batboat in all her glory
posted 11-04-2004 08:48 PM ET (US)
Glad to see you back Chris.
posted 11-04-2004 09:36 PM ET (US)
Here's one that just sold for less than $500. The engine alone was worth that much.
posted 11-04-2004 09:37 PM ET (US)
posted 11-06-2004 09:37 PM ET (US)
007 liked them.
posted 11-06-2004 09:43 PM ET (US)
Glastron makes a good reef
posted 11-07-2004 04:57 AM ET (US)
Tell your mom's hubby to only buy the rig if it's powered by a chrystler.
posted 11-12-2004 04:14 PM ET (US)
You might want to suggest he equips his offshore PFD's with EBIRB's; it's mighty hard for the rescue guys to spot a boat that used to be there.
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