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mikejana posted 03-20-2007 04:23 PM ET (US)
I just talked with the folks at Ed's Marine Superstore. I was surprised to be told that they can not, will not, and have not shipped motors to individuals, only to authorized dealers. I can buy a boat with motor and have it shipped, I can have a motor shipped to a dealer, I can have them put one on my boat or I can come pick it up. They will not ship a motor in a crate to Joe Blow. Not what I expected from such a behemoth of an online retailer.
They were polite enough to suggest how much training, licensing, financing, etc. that I would need to become a dealer, thus allowing me to order a single outboard engine from their fine establishment.
Is this new policy? Surely I remember hearing from CWers that purchased motors from Ed's.
Thanks Mike

kamie posted 03-20-2007 04:34 PM ET (US)
Mike,
Which outboard? I believe that is a Yahama requirement.
mikejana posted 03-20-2007 04:37 PM ET (US)
They said all motors, I was asking about Suzuki.
Mike
Plotman posted 03-20-2007 04:49 PM ET (US)
My first step would be to call back and talk to someone else.
Newtauk1 posted 03-20-2007 07:00 PM ET (US)
I ran into the same thing with them several years ago via a phone call. You may have more luck if you go into the store. Because they offer such low prices other dealers in various parts of the country would prefer they do not trade outside of a specific area. These other dealers complain to the manufactures. The manufacturers then inturn ask Ed's not to trade outside of a designiated area, and if they do the manfacturers ask Ed's to be descrete when "bootlegging". This is a common situation for manufacturers using a distribution network rather than selling direct. Ed's policy on the phone to a stranger may well be what they are trained to say. For all they know you could be a Suzuki Dealer in Iowa that is checking to see if Ed's is indeed bootlegging.
kamie posted 03-20-2007 07:10 PM ET (US)
Mike,
You might want to check local and really confirm that Ed's is cheaper than you can get it local. For me my local dealer is only 200 dollars more than Ed's on the outboard itself. While I could drive to Ed's they wanted to charge me an additional $250 to uncrate and hang the engine. My dealer will do that either for free or charge me 1 hour labor at $75 per hour. I guess my point is, Ed's isn't always the cheapest, check around there are dealers that will ship the outboard to you and some are as cheap as Ed's. Also, Ed's charges for shipping are rather high.
dnh posted 03-21-2007 09:07 AM ET (US)
I agree with the last post. I got a Yamaha F60 4 Stroke locally for less than it would have been at Ed's.
Ask your local dealer to call around to the various brands of boats that they carry and see if there are any extra ones laying around at the factories. Its a good way to pick up an extra $300 or so dollars off sometimes.
mikejana posted 03-21-2007 09:25 PM ET (US)
Ed's is in the town where I attended college. Not a great stretch for me to go there. the price (& barbeque) almost justify 11 hours of driving.
Suzuki 300hp four stroke. We have 2 dealers within reach, neither is real close. Ed's wants $18,400 (17k plus $1400 for controls). One dealer wants $21,000 the other $24,500. Tax is 2% at Ed's, 7% & 9% here.
I've been convinced deisel inboard, but the new Suzuki 300DF has me thinking, sure would make the 22 outrage scoot. They are starting to show up around here and have some pretty good press. The were an enigma when I started shopping.
Thanks for the replies, Mike

swist posted 03-22-2007 07:06 AM ET (US)
That's the problem - as much as you might want to deal locally and/or avoid the various issues with dealing with Ed's, you just can't ignore the price difference. For hundreds I'll stay home, but many thousands?
I know several people who have driven considerable distance to pick up an outboard at Ed's - even considering a motel, gas, depreciation, time, and everything else, it still made sense.
chesapeakecharlie posted 03-22-2007 11:19 AM ET (US)
I live in San Diego and was able to purchase a Yamaha F150 from Custom Marine in Statesboro, Ga in March of 2006. The folks at Custom Marine were more than happy to ship the engine DIRECTLY to me, and I am not a dealer. Also, the shipping cost to get the unit from Georgia to California was just over 350 dollars. I believe the price I paid for the engine was identical to that which was advertised at Ed's (about 10,200 dollars).
At the time this was as cheap a deal as one was going to find anywhere, and I am very happy with the customer support I have received from Custom Marine. You may want to look up their website.
The Judge posted 03-22-2007 11:31 AM ET (US)
Ed's is like the Cutchfield catalog of outboards. Use it for reference and a benchmark but you can always beat it.
Mike Brantley posted 03-22-2007 04:45 PM ET (US)
I can report similar success with getting Custom Marine in Georgia to ship a new Evinrude E-Tec 50 to me in Alabama a couple of years ago. Shipping costs were reasonably, the motor was about the same price as Ed's had them advertised for and they sold me rigging at a reasonable price.
mikejana posted 03-22-2007 04:59 PM ET (US)
I like custom marine also, but they don't sell Suzuki.
Mike
John W posted 03-22-2007 08:40 PM ET (US)
You will probably get a better price at Diamond Suzuki in New Smyrna Beach, that was the lowest price I found. My 2006 Suzuki DF150 cost $8450 bare, and was $10,030 installed with Fla sales tax, SS prop, tach & voltmeter. If you can't get a better deal locally, Diamond Suzuki would be closer & probably cheaper than Ed's. But they will require you to get it there, Suzuki prevents all their dealers from shipping motors, to avoid canibalizing other dealers.
http://diamondsuzukimarine.com/
whaleho posted 01-16-2009 08:13 AM ET (US)
[This newly registered participant revived two several-year-old threads only to append to them a defamation of a vendor. Apparently this participant failed to read the guidelines which inform that the website is not to be used to defame companies or individuals. Both articles have been removed.-jimh]
David Jenkins posted 01-16-2009 08:57 AM ET (US)
Mike, John W's Diamond Suzuki link has a 2007 Suzuki DF300 advertised for $13,999.
Plotman posted 01-16-2009 09:11 AM ET (US)
2 year old thread - my guess is he has purchased his motor by now.
jeffs22outrage posted 01-16-2009 09:24 AM ET (US)
I know he bought a Yamaha OX66 but I wonder if he finished that beautiful 22' outrage sterndrive to outboard conversion? Mike you out there?
Yiddil posted 01-16-2009 09:43 AM ET (US)
Am I wrong but isnt there a issue with getting an ETEC from ED's dealing with warrenty stuff...If you install the engine who certifies your work and warrenty???
I saw 9800. for an ETEC motor, have not got a price on everything else, and still wondering how they manage to certify your ETEC warrenty? Also what about the "Sales Event" issues of the I command and discounts???? How are they doing that??? dosnt that come from the manufacturer...???
If they wont ship an engine to an individual...doh whats the use???
Please explain...henry
Brian7son posted 01-16-2009 09:49 AM ET (US)
[Gave a brief summary of his education and athletic experience.]
Yiddil posted 01-16-2009 03:30 PM ET (US)
About Ed's: I've tryed to understand how they can sell an E-TEC and not be an authorized dealer. They will not sell I-Command guages cause they say they're bad. They charge $650 just to drop a motor on a hull. That is what they told me. Or you have to go to someone else to get your engine warrantied after you have someone else do the rigging! If you want an extended warranty you have to pay Ed's more for the motor! Are you kidding me?
No wonder you hear these horror stories about them. I call Evinrude and they say that is why ED's is not an authorized dealer anymore; they just have a few extra products still in their warehouse.
Now I remember why I didn't get one last time I checked on these: too many people playing too many games with prices, warrenties, conditions, and products. Ed's is not cheaper than anyone after they nail you with this charge and that. It's more for them to rig a boat for you, more for parts, more for warrranty, more for guages (and not even I-Command), and you have to leave your boat for 4-8 weeks to boot!
Stay away. They will put a hurt on you!
rbulwa posted 01-16-2009 06:07 PM ET (US)
I have recently been dealing with Ed's and I can confirm that they would not sell or ship the new Suzuki DF80 directly to me as the consumer, but told me that per what they said were Suzuki requirements, my authorized Suzuki installer would have to do the actual transaction. I could not, therefore, avoid paying California sales tax as the end use actually purchasing from my local installer. I was able to find a somewhat local dealer who was willing to participate (thus saving me several hundred dollars compared to the price from his local distributor, even with shipping). I paid Pacific Boat Center in Oakley, CA., in advance, and the engine has arrived in good shape (albeit waylaid somewhere in Utah over the holidays).
So if you want to just think of Ed's as an alternative distributor, and you can save money with shipping costs considered--they will only quote these costs to the dealer--then I see no reason to proceed this way as long as your local dealer and installer is willing. Not all are.

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Author	Topic: Engines from Ed's Marine Superstore
mikejana	posted 03-20-2007 04:23 PM ET (US) I just talked with the folks at Ed's Marine Superstore. I was surprised to be told that they can not, will not, and have not shipped motors to individuals, only to authorized dealers. I can buy a boat with motor and have it shipped, I can have a motor shipped to a dealer, I can have them put one on my boat or I can come pick it up. They will not ship a motor in a crate to Joe Blow. Not what I expected from such a behemoth of an online retailer. They were polite enough to suggest how much training, licensing, financing, etc. that I would need to become a dealer, thus allowing me to order a single outboard engine from their fine establishment. Is this new policy? Surely I remember hearing from CWers that purchased motors from Ed's. Thanks Mike
kamie	posted 03-20-2007 04:34 PM ET (US) Mike, Which outboard? I believe that is a Yahama requirement.
mikejana	posted 03-20-2007 04:37 PM ET (US) They said all motors, I was asking about Suzuki. Mike
Plotman	posted 03-20-2007 04:49 PM ET (US) My first step would be to call back and talk to someone else.
Newtauk1	posted 03-20-2007 07:00 PM ET (US) I ran into the same thing with them several years ago via a phone call. You may have more luck if you go into the store. Because they offer such low prices other dealers in various parts of the country would prefer they do not trade outside of a specific area. These other dealers complain to the manufactures. The manufacturers then inturn ask Ed's not to trade outside of a designiated area, and if they do the manfacturers ask Ed's to be descrete when "bootlegging". This is a common situation for manufacturers using a distribution network rather than selling direct. Ed's policy on the phone to a stranger may well be what they are trained to say. For all they know you could be a Suzuki Dealer in Iowa that is checking to see if Ed's is indeed bootlegging.
kamie	posted 03-20-2007 07:10 PM ET (US) Mike, You might want to check local and really confirm that Ed's is cheaper than you can get it local. For me my local dealer is only 200 dollars more than Ed's on the outboard itself. While I could drive to Ed's they wanted to charge me an additional $250 to uncrate and hang the engine. My dealer will do that either for free or charge me 1 hour labor at $75 per hour. I guess my point is, Ed's isn't always the cheapest, check around there are dealers that will ship the outboard to you and some are as cheap as Ed's. Also, Ed's charges for shipping are rather high.
dnh	posted 03-21-2007 09:07 AM ET (US) I agree with the last post. I got a Yamaha F60 4 Stroke locally for less than it would have been at Ed's. Ask your local dealer to call around to the various brands of boats that they carry and see if there are any extra ones laying around at the factories. Its a good way to pick up an extra $300 or so dollars off sometimes.
mikejana	posted 03-21-2007 09:25 PM ET (US) Ed's is in the town where I attended college. Not a great stretch for me to go there. the price (& barbeque) almost justify 11 hours of driving. Suzuki 300hp four stroke. We have 2 dealers within reach, neither is real close. Ed's wants $18,400 (17k plus $1400 for controls). One dealer wants $21,000 the other $24,500. Tax is 2% at Ed's, 7% & 9% here. I've been convinced deisel inboard, but the new Suzuki 300DF has me thinking, sure would make the 22 outrage scoot. They are starting to show up around here and have some pretty good press. The were an enigma when I started shopping. Thanks for the replies, Mike
swist	posted 03-22-2007 07:06 AM ET (US) That's the problem - as much as you might want to deal locally and/or avoid the various issues with dealing with Ed's, you just can't ignore the price difference. For hundreds I'll stay home, but many thousands? I know several people who have driven considerable distance to pick up an outboard at Ed's - even considering a motel, gas, depreciation, time, and everything else, it still made sense.
chesapeakecharlie	posted 03-22-2007 11:19 AM ET (US) I live in San Diego and was able to purchase a Yamaha F150 from Custom Marine in Statesboro, Ga in March of 2006. The folks at Custom Marine were more than happy to ship the engine DIRECTLY to me, and I am not a dealer. Also, the shipping cost to get the unit from Georgia to California was just over 350 dollars. I believe the price I paid for the engine was identical to that which was advertised at Ed's (about 10,200 dollars). At the time this was as cheap a deal as one was going to find anywhere, and I am very happy with the customer support I have received from Custom Marine. You may want to look up their website.
The Judge	posted 03-22-2007 11:31 AM ET (US) Ed's is like the Cutchfield catalog of outboards. Use it for reference and a benchmark but you can always beat it.
Mike Brantley	posted 03-22-2007 04:45 PM ET (US) I can report similar success with getting Custom Marine in Georgia to ship a new Evinrude E-Tec 50 to me in Alabama a couple of years ago. Shipping costs were reasonably, the motor was about the same price as Ed's had them advertised for and they sold me rigging at a reasonable price.
mikejana	posted 03-22-2007 04:59 PM ET (US) I like custom marine also, but they don't sell Suzuki. Mike
John W	posted 03-22-2007 08:40 PM ET (US) You will probably get a better price at Diamond Suzuki in New Smyrna Beach, that was the lowest price I found. My 2006 Suzuki DF150 cost $8450 bare, and was $10,030 installed with Fla sales tax, SS prop, tach & voltmeter. If you can't get a better deal locally, Diamond Suzuki would be closer & probably cheaper than Ed's. But they will require you to get it there, Suzuki prevents all their dealers from shipping motors, to avoid canibalizing other dealers. http://diamondsuzukimarine.com/
whaleho	posted 01-16-2009 08:13 AM ET (US) [This newly registered participant revived two several-year-old threads only to append to them a defamation of a vendor. Apparently this participant failed to read the guidelines which inform that the website is not to be used to defame companies or individuals. Both articles have been removed.-jimh]
David Jenkins	posted 01-16-2009 08:57 AM ET (US) Mike, John W's Diamond Suzuki link has a 2007 Suzuki DF300 advertised for $13,999.
Plotman	posted 01-16-2009 09:11 AM ET (US) 2 year old thread - my guess is he has purchased his motor by now.
jeffs22outrage	posted 01-16-2009 09:24 AM ET (US) I know he bought a Yamaha OX66 but I wonder if he finished that beautiful 22' outrage sterndrive to outboard conversion? Mike you out there?
Yiddil	posted 01-16-2009 09:43 AM ET (US) Am I wrong but isnt there a issue with getting an ETEC from ED's dealing with warrenty stuff...If you install the engine who certifies your work and warrenty??? I saw 9800. for an ETEC motor, have not got a price on everything else, and still wondering how they manage to certify your ETEC warrenty? Also what about the "Sales Event" issues of the I command and discounts???? How are they doing that??? dosnt that come from the manufacturer...??? If they wont ship an engine to an individual...doh whats the use??? Please explain...henry
Brian7son	posted 01-16-2009 09:49 AM ET (US) [Gave a brief summary of his education and athletic experience.]
Yiddil	posted 01-16-2009 03:30 PM ET (US) About Ed's: I've tryed to understand how they can sell an E-TEC and not be an authorized dealer. They will not sell I-Command guages cause they say they're bad. They charge $650 just to drop a motor on a hull. That is what they told me. Or you have to go to someone else to get your engine warrantied after you have someone else do the rigging! If you want an extended warranty you have to pay Ed's more for the motor! Are you kidding me? No wonder you hear these horror stories about them. I call Evinrude and they say that is why ED's is not an authorized dealer anymore; they just have a few extra products still in their warehouse. Now I remember why I didn't get one last time I checked on these: too many people playing too many games with prices, warrenties, conditions, and products. Ed's is not cheaper than anyone after they nail you with this charge and that. It's more for them to rig a boat for you, more for parts, more for warrranty, more for guages (and not even I-Command), and you have to leave your boat for 4-8 weeks to boot! Stay away. They will put a hurt on you!
rbulwa	posted 01-16-2009 06:07 PM ET (US) I have recently been dealing with Ed's and I can confirm that they would not sell or ship the new Suzuki DF80 directly to me as the consumer, but told me that per what they said were Suzuki requirements, my authorized Suzuki installer would have to do the actual transaction. I could not, therefore, avoid paying California sales tax as the end use actually purchasing from my local installer. I was able to find a somewhat local dealer who was willing to participate (thus saving me several hundred dollars compared to the price from his local distributor, even with shipping). I paid Pacific Boat Center in Oakley, CA., in advance, and the engine has arrived in good shape (albeit waylaid somewhere in Utah over the holidays). So if you want to just think of Ed's as an alternative distributor, and you can save money with shipping costs considered--they will only quote these costs to the dealer--then I see no reason to proceed this way as long as your local dealer and installer is willing. Not all are.