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L H G posted 07-07-2009 11:22 PM ET (US)   Profile for L H G  
[The announcement that BASS & WALLEYE BOAT Magazine is ceasinging publication is] another sign of the times in the Marine industry. On this website, at least, [BASS & WALLEYE BOAT Magazine editors] were famous for their "Shootout" testing articles on outboards of all HP, by John Tiger Jr. [I think the] Evinrude fans hated these, and openly critized the integrity of the testing, while the Mercury and Yamaha people applauded the articles!

But my guess is that the Advertizing dollars simply dried up, as boat builders like Genmar declared bankruptcy, Brunswick cut way back, many independents closed down, and Japanese engine builders reduced their promotional expenses as well. I also think the very thing for which they were liked, the Shootouts, may have been an advertizing problem.
Only one brand could "win", and the others probably didn't want to advertize in those issues. It's the same old problem, and why boating consumers can't get good comparative information: you can't show one brand to be superior over the others without having "the Others" complain and pull their advertizing.

I think it was one of the better magazines in the industry, and I am sorry to see it go. My subscription arrived this month as "Trailer Boats" as a substitution. No comparison in terms of interesting articles.

Sal DiMercurio posted 07-08-2009 10:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal DiMercurio  Send Email to Sal DiMercurio     
Darn, I'm sure sorry to hear that, as BWB was absolutely the best of the best.
I don't think they were biased, as I read in their magazine, where they said the Evinrude DFI 2 stroke is the blue print for the future of 2 stroke outboards.
I've also read where they knocked Mercury for lieing about the weight of the verado by over 150 lbs.
Larry, that is just your opinion, not fact about Mercury & Yamaha jumpimg up & down, & Evinrude people crying the blues.
I believe they told it like it is, or was.
They pointed out the good, & not so good, in all the engines.
I sure enjoyed that magazine, [ great writers ] & learned more for it, than any other magazine.
Sal
Tohsgib posted 07-08-2009 10:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
That is a blessing going forward. I get many mags including ones for boats and I am disappointed that 85% of the magazine is advertisements. It is nice to actually read about what you are paying to read about. Maybe when BWB resurface in the future it will change the magazine industry and give us something between the covers besides 14 pages of Fountain boat ads and 10 pages of Mercury's false advertisements, etc.
R T M posted 07-08-2009 01:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for R T M    
Glad to see they folded up. I canceled my subscription over a year ago. Actually all boating mags are worthless rags, but BWB was the worst with their misinformation, and dumb how to articles. John Tiger was a wannabe speedboater, nothing else. His real name is Wally Moopman.

rich/Binkie

jimh posted 07-08-2009 03:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I am somewhat amazed that a magazine ceasing publication can somehow be turned into a shot at Evinrude. However, the magazine's old Shoot Out articles live on, will live on forever, and can always be dredged up whenever needed to prove a point about the overall superiority of Mercury, whenever it's needed. Next time I try to accelerate onto plane, I will think to myself, darn it, it took me 0.7 seconds longer than some other motor in that BASS & WALLEYE BOAT magazine Shoot Out article, and I will try to stave off the depression that is sure to follow.

As for the shoot outs, what did them in was that test series where B&WB seemed to let things get out of hand. Mercury was very cozy with the boat builder they used. Every day the Mercury motor kept getting faster and faster, the Mercury factory guys were uploading new fuel MAP data, they were putting on $1,200-lab finished propellers, and measuring their fuel flow using different instrumentation than everyone else. At the end, B&WB never verified the fuel MAP loads as stock. I think that was the last straw for the other brands at the shoot out, and they'd had enough.

BASS & WALLEYE must not have been attracting enough readers who were Bass Boat owners or buyer or Walleye Boat owners or buyers. Since the same publisher has another title, TRAILER BOAT Magazine, perhaps they'll shift their emphasis there. If you think about, most Bass boats or multi-species fishing boats are trailerable boats, so they might find a home in TRAILER BOAT.

R T M posted 07-08-2009 06:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for R T M    
The magazine was about 35 pages thick. They tried to make up for their lack on content by using nice paper and glossy pictures.

rich/Binkie

Dan posted 07-08-2009 08:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
I don't think the demise of a business is cause for dancing on their grave. The magazine business is tough. Bulk mail keeps on going up, as does paper and other production costs. The ads are what allow the magazine to continue publishing. I don't mind a good informative ad, especially if it's for a product I might soon be in the market for. Of course as the boating industry suffers, so will related businesses like magazines. And every time a magazine goes belly up, you can bet a whole host of suppliers will be left holding the bag with invoices that can never be collected.
hauptjm posted 07-08-2009 10:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
Other than what I saw here at CW, I never saw a single issue. Oh well! Sorry to see another ancillary business go under.
Hilinercc posted 07-09-2009 08:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hilinercc  Send Email to Hilinercc     
Seems like all boating mags are taking a hit these days. Have you seen the latest iteration of "Boating"?

No longer a thick square-binder bound publication with many, many pages, its been reduced to a very thin staple bound affair with more adverts than anything else.
Some of the old war horses are still writing for them, but the mag is now a far cry from what it was. Its almost pathetic.

On another note, I'm not surprised about BWB and Trailer Boats, I haven't seen one in a while, but to me they seemed like they were nothing more than a publishing spring board for Mercury or Yammer.

"Motor Boating" is an ok read, but they're still assuming eveyone is a millionaire, and only cover boats that assume so.

fourdfish posted 07-16-2009 04:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for fourdfish  Send Email to fourdfish     
The tried to be all things for all people.
The tests were NOT independently and science based.
Poor Larry who is not a fisherman will not have a biased
rag on which to base his biased opinons.
It follows other similar rags with the same MO!
L H G posted 07-17-2009 06:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
Jim - Your comment:

"I am somewhat amazed that a magazine ceasing publication can somehow be turned into a shot at Evinrude."

can only have come from my saying:

"The Evinrude fans hated these, and openly critized the integrity of the testing, while the Mercury and Yamaha people applauded the articles!"

which was not a shot at Evinrude (the company) at all, but simply a statement of fact regarding contributors here.

Now go back and re-read Fourdy's post above this one, and no more needs to be said.

jimh posted 07-17-2009 07:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I don't see any particular tie-in between Evinrude owners and a dislike for BASS & WALLEYE BOAT magazine. I am an Evinrude owner and I loved BASS & WALLEYE BOAT magazine. I really like John Tiger, too. His series of articles about the re-vitalization of an older bass boat was probably the best thing in the magazine. Here is what he showed me in those articles:

--the individual boat hull has the most profound effect on performance, exceeding any other influence in his series of tests and changes;

--propeller cost was insignificant in performance, as he showed an old OMC propeller outperforming custom stainless steel $1,200 propellers;

--wildly expensive motor modifications like fancy reeds or super-tuner tweaks barely showed any improvement.

BASS & WALLEYE taught me that you can't trust performance tests when there is any difference in the boat hull--even when boats are supposed to be identical. In that one series John Tiger basically invalidated almost all the testing that had gone before. This is why I adopted his method--test different engines on the same exact boat--for my testing and reporting on the Evinrude E-TEC 250 H.O. performance that I authored last fall.

All these tests--especially when done on different boats--are meaningless thanks to the guidance from John Tiger. God bless John Tiger and BASS & WALLEYE BOAT magazine for showing us the truth about performance testing.

R T M posted 07-17-2009 08:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for R T M    
jimh speaking of John Tiger hop up secrets.(--wildly expensive motor modifications like fancy reeds or super-tuner tweaks barely showed any improvement) And this Mercury, Yamaha freak was trying to modify an OMC engine. LOL, like it couldn't be done
Apparently he had no real knowledge on how to modify outboards. Lots more than bolting on engine parts and solid mounts.

rich/Binkie

fourdfish posted 07-21-2009 09:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for fourdfish  Send Email to fourdfish     
Larry did not even mention that the magazine actually
rated the E-TEC well in some of the tests. The tests were
just a one run opinion not a real test with controls.
Several independent tests were done that refuted the magazine
tests. Larry is just a Merc salesman who is completely biased.
He has shown by his posts that he knows nothing about scientific tests.
jimh posted 07-22-2009 07:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The editorial focus of BASS & WALLEYE BOAT magazine was also slightly adrift, at least recently. As a reader who was not a fisherman, I was attracted to the magazine for its technical contents about boats, motors, trailers, and electronics. Articles about how to catch and release fish by using a hypodermic needle to relieve pressure in their float bladders seemed out of place for a magazine about boats. Certainly that sort of content in a magazine about fishing would be of interest to the readers, but in a magazine about boats it seemed off-topic.

Magazine content in the age of the internet and hypertext will need to improve if magazines are going to sustain paid subscriptions. I don't recall if the following was published in BASS & WALLEYE BOAT magazine, but it is a good example of the problem of publishing magazines in the internet age:

Magazines have always had letters to the editor's columns. Recently a boating magazine published a letter from a reader. The reader wrote to ask for help in navigating the publisher's companion website. The publisher ran the reader's letter in the magazine and replied with advice on how to navigate their website.

I thought this was a classic example of awful magazine content. First, it stretched my credulity that someone would sit down, pen a letter to a magazine to ask for advice on website navigation, and mail it off in the next day's post. Next, the idea that the reply would be published several months latter was amazing. Who waits three months to get a reply? That explanations of how to navigate a website could be found in the letters to the editor section of a periodical was also absurd. If you need to explain how to navigate a website, you ought to provide that information on the website! Not publish it in a magazine months later. Further, as a magazine subscriber, I really do not want to pay to read advice on how to navigate a website. That's not the kind of content I am looking for in a boating magazine. And finally, if your website design is so confusing that people write to you to ask how to navigate, it ought to be a clue that the website needs some help on-line with navigation, not a reply in a printed magazine three months later.

I hope the publishers continue with TRAILER BOATING. I have been a subscriber for many years and enjoy that magazine.

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