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Simple Pate Tank Installation Method-C27!!
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posted 06-19-2002 11:11 AM ET (US)
I just installed my C27 Pate tank on Sunday with the help of my neighbor Bob (Chesapeake). I have a used 1991 Montauk. We were ready to remove the tank mats and drill the hole in the floor for the fuel line to pass through the floor behind the new tank.
We were curious as to why the previous owner had carved out a 1/2" notch in the hawse pipe on the starboard side next to the ring that the factory puts there to connect to the bungee cords. The hawse pipe is the fitting that finishes the hole in the floor for the gas line to go through.
The previous owner also removed the inside lips of the factory mats.
We slid the C27 tank into the mats and it fit perfectly. The carved out part of the hawse pipe allows the fuel line room to go through with the tank in place!
I was then concerned about having room for the gas pump nozzle to fit in the limited space under the seat. I planned on using a funnel to get the fuel in at the gas station.
I went to the gas station and the fuel nozzle fit in without any problem!!
I now have a C27 installed in my boat.
I did not have to 1)Move the tank back or 2)Cut a hole in the floor 3)remove the tank mats or 4)put a hinge on my seat or 5) drill into floor for tank mounting hardware!
I used the bungee cords that were holding the original six gallon tanks in place.
If you are ready to mount a Pate Tank, you may want to try this method. It is so simple that I could not believe it.
Thank you Chesapeake for your help!!
posted 06-20-2002 01:02 PM ET (US)
Whalerdude: That is great...I wish I could have done the same thing, but I tried it and the tank completely covered the bilge access flange when seated in the mats. I have seen this type of installation before, and at least one person notched the flange and the edge of the tank to make the fuel line fit. (I called Pate and they did not reccomend altering the tank, but also said that they had seen this, but never has to repair one due to failure) Also, my friend has a '82 with at least 2" of the flange exposed! I'm not sure if, how, or when whaler moved the tank mats around, or perhaps modified the RPS legs, but they all seem to be different. I'm wondering if your mats were moved by a previous owner, or the RPS was scooted forward. In any event, your instalation is definately preferred! BTW I called Pate, and they are interested in designing a 27c for the Montauk that has a modified base that would allow unfettered access to the bilge tube (Salmon Tub gets the credit for the idea).
posted 06-20-2002 02:56 PM ET (US)
You have a good point that perhaps the rps & /or mata are in a different position on different model year boats.
I did not have to cut or notch the tank at all.
That's a great Idea for Pate to modify the tank.
It just seems like such a pain to dril a hole in the floor of the boat!
posted 06-20-2002 09:42 PM ET (US)
Whalerdude- you are a lucky dude. I got a used pate 27 and it already had been notched for the fuel line. I still hinged the seat to access the fuel filler . I also notched the hawse pipe. (thanks, I was wondering what is was called.) Between the notch in the tank, the notch in the hawse pipe and the little bit of height from sitting the tank on the old matts, the fuel line fits. I also located the bulb at the engine not the tank. BTW-hinging the seat is a snap.
posted 06-21-2002 04:40 PM ET (US)
I've often wondered why a tank that was custom-designed for this application did not accomodate the fuel line in its stock location. It sounds like Pate may modify their design so it becomes a simple installation with no drilling or modification of the seat. If they do, I'll seriously condider buying one to replace my aging steelies.
posted 06-21-2002 09:43 PM ET (US)
Well Andy, it is like I said in another post somewhere, there just must not be enough Montauks in the U.S. to justify redesigning the tank. They must have done market analysis as well and discovered that most Whaler owners would not shell out a few hundred bucks for a kick-butt-slick gas tank that was really a custom fit. We also must all be meager folks with little financial ability to buy an expensive tank since we settled for buying a Whaler as opposed to a fancy Bayliner or Four Winns or Cobalt... You know, Whalers must be so cheap since they have no fancy carpeting or Faux plasi-wood, and judgeing by the modest sticker graphics on the side looks like the factory couldn't even afford any fancy stickers that look like a spray of water or lazer beams or something.
posted 05-13-2003 01:59 PM ET (US)
daverdla has since reported that his tank developed a leak where it was notched to accomodate the fuel line.
posted 05-13-2003 09:53 PM ET (US)
Thanks Whalerdude for that info on installation. I recently bought a brand new Pate from a member of this forum ($320 and made a post requesting installation tipps. I am mounting it in a 71 Outrage and must make a access through my deck to the "tunnel" unless I want to trip over my fuel line all the time. My concern has been regarding the ability of the bungee's and the small lip on the mats to hold the tank secure in a rough sea. Let me know how you make out. In regard to a Custom Pate to fit under the RPS while making use of existing access holes and be able to filled without modification, I must say that it is about time. I actually have never seen one in a boat other than a Whaler, but then again I really don't look at other brands anymore.
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