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cdnturbo posted 03-23-2005 04:13 PM ET (US)   Profile for cdnturbo   Send Email to cdnturbo  
What is the formula for mixing "Desert Tan" paint? I would like to be able to go to my local paint store and get some paint so that projects I make can be made to match the boat.

Thanks--

jeffs22outrage posted 03-23-2005 05:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
Contact spectrum color. They will have gelcoat in that color however, if you are looking for a paint color. You might have to take something in so they could scan the color to make a custom formula...
http://www.spectrumcolor.com/
Chuck Tribolet posted 03-23-2005 09:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
I don't think Spectrum would be much help except with gel
coat. The mix formula is a function of the exact white of
the base coat and the exact color of the dyes. MAYBE Spectrum
knows the Pantone color AND MAYBE would tell you, which a good
local paint shop could turn into a can of paint.

But the best bet is to take it to a shop which can do paint
matching electronically. I remember one with a radio advert
here claiming to match a Pomerainian (dog). Dunno if the
sensor is portable, but if they can take it out into the
parking lot, you could tow the boat there and get a match to
YOUR gel coat.


Chuck

jimh posted 03-24-2005 01:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
You can find a suitable match by using paint chips. Get some paint chip charts from a paint store and compare them to the hull color you wish to match. The paint store will know the formula to mix that color. You can probably buy the pigments from them.

Usually you can make your own "desert tan" color by just adding a small amount of the pigment raw sienna. Acrylic pigment sold at artist supply stores generally works well for tinting. You mix it with titanium white to get the proper shade. It does not take much raw sienna to turn titanium white into an off white shade like desert tan.

You could also use the paint chip charts to match your hull color, then carry the paint chip that matches to the paint supplier from whom you will buy the paint for the hull. He may have an existing off-the-shelf color that is a good match, or may be able to mix a patch to your color.

17 bodega posted 03-24-2005 07:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for 17 bodega  Send Email to 17 bodega     
I have used the "neutral" or clear gelcoat and added white to create an off white color for hull patches. Since my boat is a beater, I don't mind the splotchy looking gelcoat. I figure at some point I can smooth it out to a "pimp my boat ride" look at some time far into the future. Seriously though, you don't need to buy the pricey spectrum product to get a perfect match. My boat had the spectrum paste and it didn't match anyway. Everyones gelcoat fades differently depending upon exposure to UV, or other factors. Even if you buy the "perfect" spectrum product, expect to have to tint it to match your boat perfectly.

I don't worry too much about hitting docks and such. I save my worrying for the motor, getting to port safely, and what's on the other end of the fishing line.


:)


I'm not knocking spectrum, as they have done a good job matching colors, but some of us poor working stiffs don't wish to pay that much for gelcoat.

cdnturbo posted 03-25-2005 12:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for cdnturbo  Send Email to cdnturbo     
It is not gelcoat that I'm looking for it is paint. I want to be able to make some of my little projects match the color of the boat by painting them the same color.
Legobusier posted 03-25-2005 10:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Legobusier  Send Email to Legobusier     
Jim already answered that for you:

quote:
You could also use the paint chip charts to match your hull color, then carry the paint chip that matches to the paint supplier from whom you will buy the paint for the hull. He may have an existing off-the-shelf color that is a good match, or may be able to mix a patch to your color.

jeffs22outrage posted 03-30-2005 04:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
Spent some time today and pulled our pantone books out put my deck hatch under a color corrected daylight lamp and began searching. I think I found the pantone color.

The Pantone color is: PMS#7527

That color is nearly dead nuts to BW's dersert tan. For those who do not know what Pantone is...It is a standardized system of color matching.

http://www.pantone.com/pantone_v1.asp

cdnturbo posted 03-30-2005 05:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for cdnturbo  Send Email to cdnturbo     
Thanks , that is what I was looking for


Phil

jimh posted 03-30-2005 08:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[Changed TOPIC to reflect Phil's actual question, apparently now answered. Was: "formula for dessert tan"]

I know that Jeff is a professional in the business of making things match with certain colors (as demonstrated by his use of a color-corrected source to illuminate the boat and paint chips), so I have faith in his judgment that the PANTONE color he specified is probably an excellent match to the boat he used as a source. But, that is no guarantee that it will be an excellent match to your boat.

My opinion is that the color of a particular hull depends on a number of factors that are unique to each hull, viz.:

--original color, which could have varied by year
--exposure to UV radiation
--oxidation
--lustre

On some boat the cockpit is a different hue than the hull. The difference can be very subtle and only be seen in particular lighting conditions.

Also, I wonder if the average paint store will be able to use PANTONE information. To hear some feedback from people who went to a typical paint store and asked for a PANTONE color would be interesting. My guess is that it will depend on the vendor. Some may know about it, while others will not.

banff22 posted 03-30-2005 09:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for banff22  Send Email to banff22     
Well, I may try it.
I recently priced getting Spectrum products into Canada and it was incredibly expensive. It's fairly easy to find comparable products here. But it's not easy to find that *Desert Tan* colour match. Yes it may not be exact due to old age of the original, but at least it's a starting point to use a tint kit on.

Thanks Jeff

Peter
BTW, I also know Jeff's Outrage 22 is the same vintage & model as mine.

jimh posted 03-30-2005 09:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
By a "tint kit" I assume you mean those little packets of pigment you buy at the boat store. How will the PANTONE number help you with those pigments? The PANTONE is geared to printer's ink colors.
Sheila posted 03-30-2005 10:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sheila  Send Email to Sheila     
Many, many years ago, before the days of computerized custom color-matching, I worked in a hardware/paint/home improvement store.

A customer selected a paint color from the manufacturer's chips. Then we referred to the chip selected to see how many premeasured "squirts" of each tint to add to the base paint to achieve the selected color.

I believe, based on my experiences on the other side of the counter, that the computerized color matching machines produce similar data for the mixer to use.

Thus I think that Jimh's original suggestion may yield the best results:

Head down to the paint store and gather up a selection of paint chips in colors that look like they might be close. Be sure to choose a few that look "too yellow" or "too gray," as store lighting is often poor.

Take the chips to your boat, and compare them to the gelcoat where you want items to match. Then go buy your paint.

Good luck!

John O posted 03-31-2005 12:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Rustoleum Marine Topside paint. Gloss Oyster White #207001.

Very close match. Home Depot Item

jeffs22outrage posted 03-31-2005 09:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
I checked this color to the underside of the deck hatch. So as to get a true read on the orginal color and not a UV or oxidized faded color.
banff22 posted 03-31-2005 11:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for banff22  Send Email to banff22     
Jimh,
Although cdnturbo is looking for paint I thought I may be able to use this information to have Gel coat and Gel paste made up to that colour. Then tint with what ever I have to if the match is not quite right. Through out your site here, and conversations with members I've learned that one of key features of the Spectrum product for our Whalers is the colour match.

I recently had some gel work done by a local BW dealer because I was too chicken to try it myself yet on what I thought was a fairly critical issue and their idea of a "perfect" match is not mine. Now it's time to try some of the more minor areas myself and thought this info would help me conjur up a Canuk batch of Gel coat.

I also thought since cdnturbo is in Vancouver CA he may also be experienceing similar concerns. Some folks are not even sure Canada Customs will allow Spectrum products across for gosh sakes!

I love my boat but this trying to refit/fix up a classic (on a budget)in Canada is really a frustrating pain in the you know what sometimes when searching for local suppliers.

Peter
Apologies to cdnturbo for the hijack.

jeffs22outrage posted 03-31-2005 02:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
peter,

If you need stuff from the states let me know. I could bring what ever you need from specturm over with me next time I head to Toronto..

standard 17 posted 04-01-2005 09:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for standard 17  Send Email to standard 17     
Any idea what pantone color would match the red Whaler logo?
I'm having some graphics made.
jeffs22outrage posted 04-01-2005 09:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
contact janis at magicbrush. [email]MagicBrsh@aol.com[/url]

I am guessing PMS485...That is the most common red used in MANY big name corp logos.

banff22 posted 04-01-2005 11:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for banff22  Send Email to banff22     
Thanks for the offer Jeff,
I'll let you know what size of semi trailer to bring. ;-)

Peter

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