posted 12-27-2004 04:32 PM ET (US)        

Here's a reference picture from Joe Kriz's web site:
http://users.sisqtel.net/jkriz/Outrage/outrage.html

I have nothing but holes in the floor from where one use to be.

What I need:
*Cooler
*seat back cushion with rod holders/cooler cushion
*floor mounts for cooler

Igloo seems to be the best brand for coolers, what size should I be looking for to go with the cushions?

I remember hearing that a company called "Halls" makes the cushion sets. How do I get in a hold of them?

Where do I get the floor mounts?

How do the seat backs mount to the console?
As you see in this picture:
http://photobucket.com/albums/v222/ryanwhaler/Album-1/?action=view¤t=DSCF0293.jpg we have six rod holders on the front of the console now, they are screwed into four peace's of wood, will the seatbacks screw into the wood, or will I have to make holes in the console? And lastly, will our Mills console cover fit over the seatbacks?

Thanks in advance, I know there are a lot of questions here.

posted 12-27-2004 09:01 PM ET (US)            

Cooler is a 94 qt Marine cooler by Igloo.

The cushions mount to snaps at the end of the teak parts that the rod holders mount too. You may have to add the snaps if you have never had cusions, available at most fabric stores or probably through Halls.

The cooler mounts to the floor using cooler cleats. You can make original ones by following the directions on Joe's site.
users.sisqtel.net/jkriz/drawings/drawings.html You can also use the tiedown kit from Igloo if you don't want the wooden whaler version.

Hall's website is www.hallsnautical.com/index.htm

If you want pictures of the cushions or the snaps let me know, mine are off the boat and in the garage.

posted 12-28-2004 12:17 AM ET (US)            

On my 85 Montauk the "cooler cleats" are just two 3/4" thick varnished mahogany boards with holes drilled through them for the bungee tiedowns that go the the cooler handles.

I don't have the official cushion for the cooler, making do with one of the cheap ones from Boater's World for now. I do have the rod cushions, got off ebay.

I don't know how "official" they are, but here's a place to get cushions:
http://www.hallsnautical.com/index.htm

posted 12-28-2004 07:28 AM ET (US)            

Thanks...

posted 12-28-2004 12:31 PM ET (US)            

Don't forget to probe those holes in the floor where your cooler cleats used to be to be sure it is dried out thoroughly. This time of year with the dry air is a good time to make sure it's all dried out, then install the new cleats with epoxy on the screws to seal out any moisture that may get on the deck moving forward.

Good luck with your project...sounds like you have as many things on your "to-do" list as I do!

posted 12-28-2004 02:12 PM ET (US)            

I'm not sure what size the one Joe has in his Outrage, but it looks bigger then I want.

posted 12-29-2004 04:53 PM ET (US)            

Here is a link to my boat with the new 94 qt and new cushions from Halls.

Notice it is mounted with the hinge side forward, opens well.

I highly recommend the cushions from Halls. They match the existing RPS cushion to a T. Lois included stainless snaps (both male and female)to install cushion to the cooler.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/philtyson2002/detail?.dir=fb8a&.dnm=26b4.jpg

posted 12-29-2004 05:03 PM ET (US)            

As you can see they follow the floor and are not parallel to the cooler.

I can send this in hi-res via email if you need better detail.

posted 12-30-2004 01:36 PM ET (US)            

Is the reason for moving the cooler forward and making longer cleats because of the extra 2" height in the 94qt cooler as compared to the 86qt cooler?
Or, to clear the Console Rod Holders?
Or, other?

Phil Tyson,

I have seen several people turn the cooler around like yours and it seems to work great. My wife preferred to have the cooler open the regular way as she used to sit on the bow locker in our Montauk with the original 86qt cooler and it was much easier to make sandwiches and get to the food.
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For the record, the 1976 and 1977 catalogs show as an option for Montauks,
84qt cooler seat

In 1978 the catalogs lists as an option for Montauks,
86qt cooler seat

The 86qt was the standard option on all Montauks up until Igloo stopped making hte 86qt sometime around 1990 or 1991.

The 1992 catalog lists as an option for Montauks,
72qt cooler seat

I believe they started using the 72qt because the 94qt was too tall for the Montauk because the cooler sat on top of the cleats in this model and could interfere with the Console Rod Holders if installed.

I purchased my 86qt Igloo cooler back in 1975. I owned this cooler long before I purchased my Montauk in 1988 as I knew someday I would own a Montauk. At that time, I used it in my Sport 13.
As far a longevity, this 86qt cooler was still in perfect condition when I sold the boat in 2003. 28 years old.. The only thing that I ever replaced on the cooler was the "Drain Cap" as when I accidentally kicked it, the cap broke in half.

When I purchased my 1985 Outrage 18, it needed a cooler, so I purchased a new 94qt Igloo marine. The difference in size between the 86qt and the 94qt was basically 2 inches in height.

Again, for the Record....
I took the lid off of both coolers. I put the opposite lids on each cooler and they fit exactly... Even down to the screw holes for the hinges. The only difference is that the 94qt had two latches in front as opposed to the single latch of the 86qt.
The difference in size at the base of the cooler varied maybe 1/8" in length and width from cooler to cooler. Just enough to where "some" people (Outrage owners) may have had to move their cooler cleats on the floor slightly, either by elongating the holes in the cleats or by modifying the cleat itself. Montauk owners probably would need to move their cleats forward or cut-off the 2 toe pieces that stop the cooler from sliding forward. (Looks like Phil's is this way)

Although I much prefer the size of the 86qt/94qt over the 72qt size, I think if I had to replace the cooler in my prior Montauk, I probably would have gone with the 72qt because I had the Console Rod Holders with Cushions and that would have been too tight of a fit for me.

The 86qt on a Montauk seemed to be a perfect match. The 94qt on the Outrage 18's also seem to be a perfect match.

posted 12-30-2004 02:22 PM ET (US)            

Our Montauk came with a 72 QT cooler in front of the console with cleats matched in size and location for it. Came time to replace the cooler a couple of years ago and it seemed that all there was available was 94 QT; went with it but it is wider, longer and deeper than the 72 QT, the major adverse consequence being that its extra width (front to back) caused the cooler to not be able to rest between the console and the raised blocks on the cleats. So while I was horsing around this past winter with other stuff on the Montauk, I also made new cleats that were designed to give the width (front to back) necessary for the cooler to fit between the raised blocks and the console, plus some extra so the rear-opening lid could clear the back rest when opening. I needed new cleats anyway, but while I didn't have to, I made the new ones longer than the originals rather than just shifting the locations forward so the entire cooler would be supported on them, then drilled the new cleats so I could use the original holes in the deck. Plus I added a couple of additional screws on each side.

posted 12-30-2004 02:24 PM ET (US)            

Re-reading your post a little more carefully, maybe I had an 86 QT cooler, not a 72; I do know the new cooler was bigger in every dimension.

posted 12-30-2004 02:59 PM ET (US)            

Then you must have had the 72qt. because the 86qt and the 94qt are almost identical except for the 2" higher domed lid of the 94qt.. Refresh my memory on what year Montauk you have as I don't see you on the list below..
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I would like to hear from anyone that has the 86qt Igloo cooler in their Montauk. I would like to add that to my list or add your entire Montauk listing if you are not already listed here:
http://users.sisqtel.net/jkriz/drawings/montauk-hin.html
Please let me know if you have the 86qt. (please, no 72qt or 94qt until 1990)

As I posted above, the 86qt is the original cooler size for the 1978 Montauks up to approximately 1990/1991.

I would also like to hear from the people that have the 72qt starting in 1990 and newer as they were the original size in that era. I would like to add these to the list also...

posted 12-30-2004 03:10 PM ET (US)            

Some of you may have 72qt coolers in your Montauk that were added by the owner later. Obviously anyone can put any size cooler they prefer in their boat. However, from the Boston Whaler Catalogs and the Options Catalogs, the only optional cooler for the Montauk from 1978 to 1990/1991 was the 86qt.

Tom Clark has also made some fine drawings of the Cooler Cleats for the Montauk in both the 86qt original size and for the 94qt replacement cooler which is just a little longer. His drawings are on my drawings page here:

86qt.
http://users.sisqtel.net/jkriz/drawings/Montauk_cooler_cleat.pdf

posted 12-30-2004 03:45 PM ET (US)            

I remember being quite convinced at the time that it was a 72 QT size cooler that I was replacing(?). It almost must have been OEM, whatever it was, because the cleats had never been moved or changed out that I could tell, and the front of the 94 QT cooler had to sit up on top of the raised blocks. I'll send you an email with my version of the updated cleats.

Oh, and the Montauk is a 1982 model. It may take some doing to round up the plate number, but I think I have it around somewhere.

posted 12-30-2004 03:50 PM ET (US)            

Been there, done that.

:)

posted 01-01-2005 08:17 PM ET (US)            

I just ordered the cooler from Igloo's website.

I then attempted to order the cooler cushon and backrests from Halls, but they don't have a normal order forum, seems more like an email forum. I told them what I wanted, and I guess I just have to wait for them to get back to me.

Those of you who have bought stuff from Halls, what kind of payment methods do they use?

posted 01-02-2005 03:27 AM ET (US)            

I have a 85 Montauk. It has a well weathered 72 quart cooler that came with it when I bought the boat used. Under that are the original wood cleats, which match the cooler exactly. They would be too small for the larger coolers. We thought about putting a larger cooler, but after measuring and working out the foot room decided to stick with the 72, at least for now.

Whatever your BW manual says, it sure looks like 72's were on at least some Montauks from BW. What kingfish describes sounds just like mine. Except I know it's a 72.

The seating comfort of the cooler is somewhat compromized by the extended grab loop on the console railing. When I sit on it I end up putting a arm through that to be more comfortable.

We actually use the cooler as a cooler, and lunch is usually in the bow. Facing the hinges forward would not work for us.

One other thing we considered is a cooler seat made by Wise. It's originally designed with a flip-flop backrest, but you can get it without. Tan is one color it comes in, and the cushion is part of it. Inside is a heavily insulated cooler space. The smaller size of this seat could be fitted in front of the console of a Montauk.

posted 01-02-2005 01:26 PM ET (US)            

Good discussion here and I am enjoying doing research and taxing my memory from the 1980's...

First of all, the 72qt was not made in the 1980's that I know of.
If we think about it, the 72qt and the 94qt (both current models) have the Dome lid. The Dome lid did not start until the 1990's in the Marine series of Igloo coolers. Igloo changed to the dome lid to make their coolers sound and look bigger. The 94qt was identical in size to the 86qt with the exception of this dome lid which made it 2 inches taller. A marketing scheme from Igloo I presume. This domed lid was the downfall for the Montauk cooler seat if the Montauk had the Console Rod Holder and cushions in my opinion. The domed lid of the cooler and the cooler cushion just made the cooler too tall and it iinterfered with the Console Rod Holders if they were also installed. If the Rod Holders were not installed, then there wouldn't be a problem other them possibly having to move the cleats a little further forward so the cooler lid would open up fully. Or reversing the cooler so the hinges face forward as some people have done.

From the older catalogs and price lists, there were 3 coolers available for the late 1970's boats and all of the 1980's boats as listed in the Whaler catalogs and Price Lists. The 3 sizes available were:
1. 48qt
2. 86qt
3. 155qt

I can understand why people did not want to fork out the money for the 86qt cushioned cooler forward seat. In the 1984 Options catalog, this cooler seat listed for $328.00... Ouch.. That was a lot of money for a cooler back in 1984... I know I priced one in 1988 from my local dealer and I remember right around $300.00... I believe that included the cushion and the cleats. I already had the 86qt cooler (although in Red instead of White) so I purchased the cushion for $100.00 and the cleats for around $75 or $95.... These were genuine Whaler parts for the Montauk. Still not cheap.

So, my final conclusion is that many people had many different coolers on their Whalers. However, from the sizes listed above, the 86qt was the one that was the factory option for the Montauk. Other people may have used different sizes due to the original cost of these cooler options from Whaler.

If anyone has any other concrete information, please let us know.
Maybe a phone call to Igloo, they can tell us exactly what year they started making the 72qt with the domed lid.

posted 01-02-2005 08:35 PM ET (US)            

I missed one of your statement about what the catlaogs say.

I have every Main Catalog and Options Catalog since 1980 to present.
I also purchased Tom Clark's CD which has all Catalogs, Price Lists, Options, and many other literature, Flyers, etc....

When I purchased his CD, I sold all the older catalogs that I had prior to 1980 on eBay. There weren't very many and they were spread out through the years so I decided to narrow my collection down to 1980 to present. My interests lie in those years from 1980 onward..

posted 01-06-2005 01:29 PM ET (US)            

The 72qt cooler from Igloo should be here with in the next two weeks, they can't send it out this week because they are doing some year-end warehouse thing.

I got the check in the mail today for Halls, for the two rod pads and the cooler cushion.

I still need the floor mounts.

posted 01-06-2005 03:54 PM ET (US)            

If you would like a pair, let me know. These can include the bungee cords and stainless steel screws if needed.

I am also planning to make rod holders if you need these.

Thanks...