Q1: can the acceleration onto plane of a 2012 170 DAUNTLESS with a 2012 Mercury 90 FourStroke be improved if the propeller is changed to a Mercury TROPHYplus four-bladed 17-pitch instead of a the present propeller, a Mercury LASER II three-bladed 19-pitch?
Q2: what other propeller change could improve acceleration onto plane when towing tubes or wakeboards?
BACKSTORY
I recently purchased a 2012 Dauntless 170 with the original Laser II 3 blade 19 pitch propeller and original 2012 Mercury four stroke. The engine already has a foil appendage extending the Anti-Ventilation plate aft. When pulling tubes or wakeboards the boat has trouble getting onto plane. The maximum rated horsepower is 90-HP.
I would like to try a four-blade Mercury TROPHYplus 17 pitch propeller to try to help the boat accelerate onto plane when pulling tubes or wakeboards.
2012 170 DAUNTLESS Improve Acceleration Onto Plane
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I suspect you may never achieve the performance want from your 17 with a 90 HP four stroke engine. A 115 HP engine would be more appropriate for your boat. A four blade propeller of the right design should be very helpful. Removing the hydrofoil and ensuring the engine is mounted at the optimum height should also help performance. Proper engine trim will always provide better performance. The Trophy propeller you mention is a good candidate. If your local propeller dealer will allow you to try one out take advantage of the opportunity.
Butch
Re: 2012 170 DAUNTLESS Improve Acceleration Onto Plane
Reducing propeller pitch to 17 from 19 will improve the boat's performance accelerating onto plane when under greater loading. But working in the opposing direction, increasing to four-blades from three-blades will tend to increase the propeller load on the engine from the additional blade.
If you can obtain the TROPHYplus propeller on a trial-basis, it would be worth testing it, before you invest probably $500 or more in buying it.
If you can obtain the TROPHYplus propeller on a trial-basis, it would be worth testing it, before you invest probably $500 or more in buying it.
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Jefecinco--I [acknowledge] all your mentioned about the performance characteristics with a 90-HP engine on a 2012 170 DAUNTLESS.
Unfortunately the maximum engine power on [the mandatory U.S. Coast Guard capacity placard] is 90-HP.
I never thought about the hydrofoil being an [cause of reduced performance]. Is [the basis for thinking that an anti-ventilation plate foil appendage reduces performance because the foil] is causing too much drag?
I have purchased a used TROPHYplus four-bladed 17-pitch propeller. In the future I will report boat performance with that propeller.
jimh--I am also concerned that using a four-bladed propeller will add drag of the 4th blade. I guess I'll find out in a couple weeks when the propeller arrives. I will go out in a week to get some baseline numbers on time to plane. Thank you for the insight.
Unfortunately the maximum engine power on [the mandatory U.S. Coast Guard capacity placard] is 90-HP.
I never thought about the hydrofoil being an [cause of reduced performance]. Is [the basis for thinking that an anti-ventilation plate foil appendage reduces performance because the foil] is causing too much drag?
I have purchased a used TROPHYplus four-bladed 17-pitch propeller. In the future I will report boat performance with that propeller.
jimh--I am also concerned that using a four-bladed propeller will add drag of the 4th blade. I guess I'll find out in a couple weeks when the propeller arrives. I will go out in a week to get some baseline numbers on time to plane. Thank you for the insight.
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The "drag" of the propeller is only present when the propeller is not rotating and some other propulsion method is using the boat. What my comment was referencing is when switching to a four-blade propeller from a three-blade, there typically will be an increase in the total blade area of the propeller. The greater blade area makes the propeller have a higher load on the engine to turn the propeller as the propeller is trying to move more water with each revolution.jaspermc wrote:jimh--I am also concerned that using a four-bladed propeller will add drag of the fourth blade.
The result is that if you change, as you propose, from a three-blade 19-pich to a four-blade 17-pitch, you may find the engine speed will not increase as much as expected from the pitch change. The greater blade area of the four-blade will tend to add to the load on the engine, while the pitch change is tending to decrease the load. Exactly what the outcome will be in terms of what engine speed at full-throttle will result is best determined from actual testing.